Curse

Plushie Penguin · Jul 07, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22

This is why AN has the international servers, it's very rare that other people are on it, or at least speak your language[excluding temple of balthazar and such, I don't know about those places].
People have bad days.... I would know, I left my last guild cursing from the sexual abuse I had taken for a while.
As for scamers, if there's only one and you can show he's BSing everything, go ahead and spare some of the people from being tricked, even if no one will lissen to you, at least you tried.
stupidity isn't a crime, but it is a sickness, help cure it.
Chop's post below this is a quote that's all over the net, and yet it still makes me laugh a bit on the inside

Jul 07, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

one thing ive learned from playing online games.

never argue with idiots, theyll only drag you to their level, and beat you with experience.

rong626 · Jul 07, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

welcome to the real world

Ken Dei · Jul 07, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

People keep saying:

"there's nothing you can do about it...."

-We can, with A.Net's help, institute in game moderators made up of the more reputable portion of the player base. A cure? No. A vaccine, very much so. If there's tangible pressence of "consequences" most people get in line. It's like you driving along and slowing down when you see a cop.

Conclusion: The people say there's nothing we can do about it are unimaginative and lazy to say the least.

"Grow up..."

-It's not infantile to expect decency from other people, nor should it ever be. Excuses be damned, I don't care if it's the parents fault or anonimity. I have bloody anonimity, I don't act like an ass most of the time. The only people who are truely infantile and to blame are those who cause the problems or stall the solutions with defeatist attitudes.

"Deal with it..."

-Those of us here agreeing with the OP are trying to, that's why we're here. We're seeking a solution to the problem through reasonable discuss, if all you can contribute is to tell us to "Deal with it," then you have served your purpose and it is now time to stop grandstanding and nodding your head to your fellow "deal with it" commrades, without acutally contibuting anything positive to the disscusion; and let those of us who want to, actually try and deal with it.

"Just ignore it...."

The problem with this ideaology is two fold. One, problems don't go away if you ignore them. Sometimes it seems that way if they take a while to effect you, but unresolved problems always catch up with everyone. The second issue is that this is exactly how people get the notion that they can get away with the behavior in the first place. Someone has an off day or doesn't feel like saying/doing something and just blows it of. Unfortunately, this registers to the one acting out as a tally in the direction of immunity.

Don't ignore it, one day you'll wake up and find you wish you hadn't.

I can understand where all these arguements come from. People for a good while now (years) have been bred into a obedient and uninspired mass of "yes men." Told that they must endure anything and everything done to them so long as the harm is not directly physical. The ideas of dignity, respect, honor and decency have fallen by the wayside by various strawman arguements and simple lack of will to defend them.

We have also been told that when injustice is found that it is "life" which is unfair and there's nothing you can do about it. No body ever asks the simplest counter-question to that notion. Why? In all seriousness, consider for a moment, why does life have to be unfair? Why MUST we put up with inappropriate behavior? Because someone says "that's the way things are"?

Nonesense, things are as you make them, and if you want or need something to change all you have to do is say "No." Then go out and do your best to change it, regardless of the odds.

I ask not those who agree with me, but those who dissagree to stop and think, just for moment. Consider truely who is telling you that these people can't be stopped, if not fixed. You might find the only person in the room vouching that arguement is you...

Prove yourself wrong.

"All that is required for evil to win, is for good men to do nothing."

jackie · Jul 07, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

In Guild Wars one can trash talk pretty much how much he/she wants & in the end can walk away from all of it.

In couple other online games there is much tighter community that tracks people who are jerks & if you behave badly, your reputation in the servers will crash down and don't expect to get invites to many parties after that.

Lady Lozza · Jul 07, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Quote:

Of course I haven't just noticed. but it has gotten alot worse lately, especially in the low level areas. I think what really brought it to my attention was making a new char in Cantha and making a new monk who had to go through Pre-searing again. People were especially horrible in the newbie areas, and I'm afraid that's turning off new players. I've been playing GW since March '05. And I do think its as bad as I made out.
Have you ever played another online game? They're not usually like this. Not even in the Barrens in WOW, which was famous for being horrible. At least people were helpful.

I've played WoW and L2 as my main MMO background. Guild Wars was a fantastic when I started playing. There was so little name-calling and trashtalk. That started to change during the Christmas break last year, and things HAVE been getting worse. However I've discovered in MMOs it largely depends on the server that you are playing. My WoW server was... Well it was worse that GW is currently. L2 was generally ok... except for the pkers, which were terrible.

I would love to clean the game up somewhat, but I've no idea HOW it could be done. Consequently I simply report all those who do something that gets on my nerves (screenies and all), and label it as inappropriate behaviour and let Anet/NCSoft deal with it. That's about all I can do, and is the least abusable system I can think of.

EDIT: Ken, great post.

Silent Kitty · Jul 07, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie

In Guild Wars one can trash talk pretty much how much he/she wants & in the end can walk away from all of it.

In couple other online games there is much tighter community that tracks people who are jerks & if you behave badly, your reputation in the servers will crash down and don't expect to get invites to many parties after that.

That is because you are a lvl20 in a matter of hours. It is sooo easy to get yourself a bad rep and delete the character to start a new one. If people were to exp until lvl 99, which might take weeks of grinding, some people might be more careful on how they treat others.
Most jerks will still be jerks, but in GW it's way to easy to start all over with a clean slate.

Matsumi · Jul 07, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Wow, you guys are really taking this way too out of perspective, lol. I agree that jerks are a crappy thing to deal with, but seriously, you guys are starting to sound rediculous with your analogies. Have fun reporting people everywhere, I'm gonna go enjoy playing the game. If I run into any jerks, I'll just use the biggest jerk thread to vent if it gets that much of a rise out of me. Then I'll go back to playing the game.

Just keep in mind that any jerk, racist, idiot, or whatever can go out and buy a copy of GW, or any other game. Have fun.

Theus · Jul 07, 2006, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Lawl.I love all of the suggestions for soccermoms ingame.It's funny how people can get so worked up over a couple of words on the internet.

Feminist Terrorist · Jul 07, 2006, 10:10 AM // 10:10

I just witnessed an atrocious example of bad behavior and the general community either egging it on or simply saying there was nothing they could do. Frankly, I'm ashamed of everyone who was there and stood by while it was happening. I took extensive screen shots, and am in the process of reporting it. It is possible this jerk will not be punished, but I could not stand by and let it happen.

Having said that, there should be an easier and better way to report people. The existing way is cumbersome and requires people to be really determined in order to place a report. Such as: Game account. Whose game account? The jerk or mine? And where to find such information? That's completely confusing and should be clarified.

Mr_T_bot · Jul 07, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matsumi

Wow, you guys are really taking this way too out of perspective, lol. I agree that jerks are a crappy thing to deal with, but seriously, you guys are starting to sound rediculous with your analogies. Have fun reporting people everywhere, I'm gonna go enjoy playing the game. If I run into any jerks, I'll just use the biggest jerk thread to vent if it gets that much of a rise out of me. Then I'll go back to playing the game.

Just keep in mind that any jerk, racist, idiot, or whatever can go out and buy a copy of GW, or any other game. Have fun.

Yeah really, this isn't Sesame Street folks, this is the internet. Hell, this is the real world. Get over it. Yeah, people are jerks, thanks for sharing that insight - we never would've guessed. You just have to put up with it and stop pretending a mod/GM/cop can always come and save you from people acting like "jerks" because "being a jerk" is usually not a law breaking offense.

God forbid what little policing Arena Net is able to do isn't directed at banning "jerks" from an already low, sparse, and inexperienced populace.

Eavilexia · Jul 07, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

my opinion, the ignore list is rather pathetic, for a game that sold nearly 100k acc's or something and we get 30 odd ignore slots? thats not even enough to acount for 1 week worth of scammers. with a bigger ignore list we can njoy the game without those who make it unpleasent. and best of all its shared with friendslist, personaly i would rather have a friendslist so that leaves almost no room for ignores.

Demesis · Jul 07, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Dei

People keep saying:

"there's nothing you can do about it...."

-We can, with A.Net's help, institute in game moderators made up of the more reputable portion of the player base. A cure? No. A vaccine, very much so. If there's tangible pressence of "consequences" most people get in line. It's like you driving along and slowing down when you see a cop.

Conclusion: The people say there's nothing we can do about it are unimaginative and lazy to say the least.

"Grow up..."

-It's not infantile to expect decency from other people, nor should it ever be. Excuses be damned, I don't care if it's the parents fault or anonimity. I have bloody anonimity, I don't act like an ass most of the time. The only people who are truely infantile and to blame are those who cause the problems or stall the solutions with defeatist attitudes.

"Deal with it..."

-Those of us here agreeing with the OP are trying to, that's why we're here. We're seeking a solution to the problem through reasonable discuss, if all you can contribute is to tell us to "Deal with it," then you have served your purpose and it is now time to stop grandstanding and nodding your head to your fellow "deal with it" commrades, without acutally contibuting anything positive to the disscusion; and let those of us who want to, actually try and deal with it.

"Just ignore it...."

The problem with this ideaology is two fold. One, problems don't go away if you ignore them. Sometimes it seems that way if they take a while to effect you, but unresolved problems always catch up with everyone. The second issue is that this is exactly how people get the notion that they can get away with the behavior in the first place. Someone has an off day or doesn't feel like saying/doing something and just blows it of. Unfortunately, this registers to the one acting out as a tally in the direction of immunity.

Don't ignore it, one day you'll wake up and find you wish you hadn't.

I can understand where all these arguements come from. People for a good while now (years) have been bred into a obedient and uninspired mass of "yes men." Told that they must endure anything and everything done to them so long as the harm is not directly physical. The ideas of dignity, respect, honor and decency have fallen by the wayside by various strawman arguements and simple lack of will to defend them.

We have also been told that when injustice is found that it is "life" which is unfair and there's nothing you can do about it. No body ever asks the simplest counter-question to that notion. Why? In all seriousness, consider for a moment, why does life have to be unfair? Why MUST we put up with inappropriate behavior? Because someone says "that's the way things are"?

Nonesense, things are as you make them, and if you want or need something to change all you have to do is say "No." Then go out and do your best to change it, regardless of the odds.

I ask not those who agree with me, but those who dissagree to stop and think, just for moment. Consider truely who is telling you that these people can't be stopped, if not fixed. You might find the only person in the room vouching that arguement is you...

Prove yourself wrong.

"All that is required for evil to win, is for good men to do nothing."

Thank you. Now I don't need to waste my time typing my long response either.

People telling me to 'grow up' and 'deal with it'....

I'm getting tired of it and they're just saying it as flamebait. Expecting decency from people isn't a childish thing and I guess these people who said that might need to re-evaluate what exactly is childish before they go around on this thread telling everyone to grow up. I am NOT going to explain that principle again!

As for 'DEALING WITH IT' we are DEALING WITH IT by posting on this thread and discussing the problem. So far these people who posted 'deal with it' are simply repeating their 'deal with it' quotes and are not providing any useful contribution to this thread at all.

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Originally Posted by inscribed

No, I'm not. This whole thread started with someone complaining about people dropping out of a group after getting an elite cap and other people purposefully giving out false information/calling others noobs.

In response to this, yes you need to 'deal with it'.

Some other posters (including you) decided to push this into things that are already covered by the EULA, such as racially offensive language, etc. In response to this, as it is already covered by the EULA, you are able to report it through the main Guild Wars webpage.

This is as clear as I can possibly make it.

Correct, but these people who drop out of a group after getting an elite cap and other people purposefully giving out false information/calling others noobs are the same offenders who make racist remarks and other things that breach EULA.

We are pushing for things that are already in the EULA because it's poorly enforced. As I said again and I'm repeating myself, reporting is inefficient and it rarely works. We need a new system to improve things.

Smoke · Jul 07, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

This is just one of the morons i come across daily, those kids should be warned and then banned if they reoffend.
My friends kids play this game and in no way anyone wants their kids exposed to such things.

This is just a screenshot of what the moron was saying, and trust me therewas worst things.

NJudson · Jul 07, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

As far as immaturity across the chat lines then yes I see it getting worse I think. Just last night while playing some jerks kept making cracks about fags and gay marriage. It wasn't so much that I was offended, but I did find it very immature.

As far as afk folks and drop-outs then I have to say it does suck and I avoid doing it if at all possible, but the "real life" supercedes the "game life" and sometimes I think most all of us go afk or drop out at times. My wife seems to have no sympathy for my cursed Guild Wars addiction and when she starts ranting about being on game too long then I find it best to get off than face her raging wrath. Sometimes the dog has to be let out or I get a mad case of the scoots...etc. When this happens to me I make an effort to announce it and apologize though. Actually, what I find to be poor behavior is when someone has the courtesy to announce he/she is going afk for a moment and brb and then team members ignore this and continue with mission. Bottom line is this is just a game nobody's perfect so I understand afk and dropouts do occur from time to time. As far as how many are legit ones versus selfish jerks intentionally doing it...well who knows.

Tien ak · Jul 07, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Dei

People keep saying:

"there's nothing you can do about it...."

-We can, with A.Net's help, institute in game moderators made up of the more reputable portion of the player base. A cure? No. A vaccine, very much so. If there's tangible pressence of "consequences" most people get in line. It's like you driving along and slowing down when you see a cop.

Conclusion: The people say there's nothing we can do about it are unimaginative and lazy to say the least.

"Grow up..."

-It's not infantile to expect decency from other people, nor should it ever be. Excuses be damned, I don't care if it's the parents fault or anonimity. I have bloody anonimity, I don't act like an ass most of the time. The only people who are truely infantile and to blame are those who cause the problems or stall the solutions with defeatist attitudes.

"Deal with it..."

-Those of us here agreeing with the OP are trying to, that's why we're here. We're seeking a solution to the problem through reasonable discuss, if all you can contribute is to tell us to "Deal with it," then you have served your purpose and it is now time to stop grandstanding and nodding your head to your fellow "deal with it" commrades, without acutally contibuting anything positive to the disscusion; and let those of us who want to, actually try and deal with it.

"Just ignore it...."

The problem with this ideaology is two fold. One, problems don't go away if you ignore them. Sometimes it seems that way if they take a while to effect you, but unresolved problems always catch up with everyone. The second issue is that this is exactly how people get the notion that they can get away with the behavior in the first place. Someone has an off day or doesn't feel like saying/doing something and just blows it of. Unfortunately, this registers to the one acting out as a tally in the direction of immunity.

Don't ignore it, one day you'll wake up and find you wish you hadn't.

I can understand where all these arguements come from. People for a good while now (years) have been bred into a obedient and uninspired mass of "yes men." Told that they must endure anything and everything done to them so long as the harm is not directly physical. The ideas of dignity, respect, honor and decency have fallen by the wayside by various strawman arguements and simple lack of will to defend them.

We have also been told that when injustice is found that it is "life" which is unfair and there's nothing you can do about it. No body ever asks the simplest counter-question to that notion. Why? In all seriousness, consider for a moment, why does life have to be unfair? Why MUST we put up with inappropriate behavior? Because someone says "that's the way things are"?

Nonesense, things are as you make them, and if you want or need something to change all you have to do is say "No." Then go out and do your best to change it, regardless of the odds.

I ask not those who agree with me, but those who dissagree to stop and think, just for moment. Consider truely who is telling you that these people can't be stopped, if not fixed. You might find the only person in the room vouching that arguement is you...

Prove yourself wrong.

"All that is required for evil to win, is for good men to do nothing."

Best Post here by far!

Totaly agree with you there every single word of it. I've been scammed before and people tell me that that's just life deal with it (in game) I've reported to Arena net and nothings happened just a "we wish people would play nice but thats not the case" so Basicly their running away from resonbility what they don't quite realise is that if guild wars is well known as a place where Jerks hang out...Well who wants to play that? we need these Jerks to complete the game whether it is to gather Faction or to complete a mission, if you get into a group and your constantly getting into Jerk groups then whats the point playing?

I think the only thing I would ask for is either

a) in game Report system
b) More Admins in game

Hearing that in everquest you actually get your item back that was stolen sounds amazing if that wasn't monthly charged I would proberly look more into it to be honest.

I do like guild wars in fact it is one of my fav games and I understand there are going to be jerks in game but when Arena net don't do anything or at least make me feel as if they aren't going to do anything about it, then I feel like the Horrible/Bad people have won and they have ruined part of my gaming experiance.

PS About my post about my Ranger/Warrior as I said I didn't know anything about the game back then so can't blame me for that, back then Guild wars phsyics was just a guess.

Mr_T_bot · Jul 07, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

Correct, but these people who drop out of a group after getting an elite cap and other people purposefully giving out false information/calling others noobs are the same offenders who make racist remarks and other things that breach EULA.

Some one call the unfounded generalization police.

Jerks are not automatically and not always EULA breakers.

Medion · Jul 07, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

How do you people know 'nothing happened' when you reported someone? I honestly don't see how you could know that? Please show proof that really nothing happened to those that were reported. (And don't give me one example which you reported, because that one person you reported may not have broken the agreement.)

I really don't see as much bad behaviour as you people seem to see though. And I do come into RA at least 5 times a week, and I visit Temple of Balthazar regurarly. I do think that some of you may just be 'looking' for those jerks, cause I have difficulties meeting them. Ofcourse I see some stupid people shouting stupid messages once in a while, but I just ignore them. That is my solution to the problem, and I must tell you, it works very well because I still enjoy this game. Maybe you people should at least try do that too?

Big_L · Jul 07, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

Correct, but these people who drop out of a group after getting an elite cap and other people purposefully giving out false information/calling others noobs are the same offenders who make racist remarks and other things that breach EULA.

This is the kind of stereotypical crap you claim people should be banned for.

You all want to compare ingame GW to real life? If I call you ugly in the supermarket are you going to call the cops on me?
Please save your remarks about racism. We all agree this doesn't belong in game, so stop bringing it up as if my argument condones it. Its insulting.

I'm more offended by self-righteous people telling me how to act than the random player saying I'm a noob. Its intrusive and judgemental. This is just as rude as the player calling others harmless names in game. At least the guy calling me a doodoohead isnt trying to get me banned for it, which is why I'm forced to defend myself here. Maybe I should report YOU.

Of course, I'm being facetious, but my point is clear. Its not against the EULA for someone to be rude, unless its PERSISTANT and CANNOT be amended by the chat filter/ignore list. Anet's EULA may be a little vague sometimes, so its their job to decide if what you reported breaks the rules or not. If they decide that it isn't then, yes, i'll say it: DEAL WITH IT. Its my opinion that many of you are being overly sensitive, so "DEAL WITH IT" is a very valid solution, and the only solution available if Anet doesn't feel the EULA has been violated. Now, if you want more strict and specific rules to be stated in the EULA, then thats another story.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eavilexia

my opinion, the ignore list is rather pathetic, for a game that sold nearly 100k acc's or something and we get 30 odd ignore slots? thats not even enough to acount for 1 week worth of scammers. with a bigger ignore list we can njoy the game without those who make it unpleasent. and best of all its shared with friendslist, personaly i would rather have a friendslist so that leaves almost no room for ignores.

I'm sorry, but if your ignore list needs to be that long, then its you who is doing something wrong. Thats just rediculous.

Silent Kitty · Jul 07, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big_L

I'm sorry, but if your ignore list needs to be that long, then its you who is doing something wrong. Thats just rediculous.

Now who is judgemental?